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2013 used car inspection company reflection

Thursday, January 2nd By Josh

8 years in business now and 2013 was our biggest year yet.

Many exciting changes including:

  • Launched new innovative inspections options to better serve and help save our clients money
  • Invested in many new diagnostic and inspection tools
  • Designed and launched a completely new inspection software which gives us the fastest possible way for us to deliver a complete report via PDF to your inbox immediately after finishing our inspection
  • Completely redesigned and launched a new website

We continue to grow year over year and want to thank all of those who make it all possible. We promise to deliver the same great experience for 2014 and look forward to starting out strong! As always, expect even bigger things in 2014 and thank you for all of your support!

Happy New Year from PDXinspections

Filed Under: Announcements, Automobile Pre Purchase Inspections, Car Buying, Help PDXinspections help others, Mobile inspection, Our thoughts, Portland Car buying, Scams, Used Car, Vancouver Car Buying Tagged With: Car buying, Car History report, car scam, cars, craigslist car shopping, curbstoning, illegal selling, portland car inspection, ppi, salvage vehicles, scam, used car, Used Car Buying, Used Car Inspection, used car scam, Used Car Shopping, Used Vehicle Inspection, uvi, Vehicle History report

Buying a used car in Portland Oregon

Thursday, December 5th By Josh

Used car buying tips specifically for Portland, Oregon & Vancouver, Washington metro areas

What you should know:

This information is absolutely invaluable for those who are just starting their used car buying adventure in Portland, Oregon. The information below is more of a recap of the more in depth information we’ve provided on our “PDXinspections Tips for Shopping and Buying a Quality Used Car” page.

Planning the purchase

If you’re going to be financing the vehicle and working with a dealer, try to get pre-approved through a credit union of your choosing prior to starting your search. If you’re not a member of a local credit union start there. Many offer rates as low as 0.99% on used cars up to 3-4 years old. Most will typically pre-approve you and provide you 60 days to shop. Credit unions are not only much easier to not only work with, they offer lower rates, better customer service, they’re more apt to actually approve you and usually makes for a very easy transaction once you find the right car.

Know the seller

There are a lot of used car dealers to choose from. It’s typically better to start with the larger franchised dealers if you want/need to purchase from a dealer. We believe you get more car for less money if you are patient and invest the time to find a real private party owner selling their own vehicle. Be cautious and perform in depth research any dealer you’re considering working with, especially when considering a vehicle from a smaller independent dealer. You will quickly find out what dealers care about customer service/sell quality vehicles (they go hand in hand) and which are all about making money and have no problem selling clunkers.

  • Yelp – Be sure to check out the “Not recommended/filtered reviews” as well. Watch out for dealers who have 1 star reviews followed by 5 star reviews
  • Google “Company name + reviews”
  • Yahoo
  • BBB – We have mixed feelings about the better business bureau and would suggest sticking to “real people reviews” rather than a company in the business to solicit business participation in their “accreditation”.

In Portland there are a lot of private party sellers advertising vehicles that are not actually registered to them. Unlicensed dealers are known as curbers and these can quickly become a nightmare transactions between problem cars and issues for you when you go to register/title the vehicle in your name. These sellers are easy to spot, look for a combination of the following:

  • Look for missing license plates in pictures – Why would the owner not have plates on the car?
  • If the phone number is provided – is it masked: 5 oh three 78 nine zero 1 6 8 or 5o3-789-OI68? This could be a good clue they’re doing this to prevent you from simply googling the number to see all of the other vehicles they are selling or have possibly sold in the past.
  • Google “the phone number + for sale” prior to contacting that seller. See other vehicles come up? You likely found a curber.
  • Read through the ad. Do they specifically say “my” car or do they explain it like it’s just another car they’re selling. Is there a lot of information about the car stating its history, repairs, etc or is the ad very basic?

An often-overlooked tip. Look at the license plates in the ads or ask the dealer about the registration if they have dealer vanity plates on the cars. Oregon doesn’t have a tax on their vehicle purchases but the licensing and registration fees can be quite expensive. For example:

  • A vehicle with current Oregon plates will only require a quick trip to the DMV and cost you $77 dollars to title in your name. You don’t have to pay for registration until the tags expire.
  • A vehicle without plates or expired tags will require a separate trip the Oregon DEQ first, it must pass DEQ, followed by a trip the DMV with fees that could be upwards of $350. Remember, a private party seller selling a vehicle without license plates is very often an unlicensed dealer. If theres a picture of a temporary plate in the back window you should ask yourself why? Why would someone who just bought a car being trying to already sell it?

Knowing the market and its value

Use Kelly Blue Book to check the value of the vehicle to get an estimate on what it’s worth. Knowing this information prior to your calling will help you get an idea how negotiable the seller is. You’ll probably notice many vehicles such as popular “in demand” Honda’s and Toyota’s don’t typically follow KBB’s values, so be sure to figure out what the true market value is before getting frustrated by everyone asking too much for their vehicles. Again KBB values are pointless if none of the vehicles online are listed anywhere close to those values. Our advice is to put craigslist to work for you by changing the way you look and compare vehicles. Search by title only and be specific like this:

  • Leave the search bar blank
  • Search by year (plus one and negative one) if you’re trying to price 2006’s enter 2005 to 2007 for example (assuming its the same generation)
  • Enter the Make and Model ie. Honda Civic
  • Check the title status box and click clean only – You can’t compare clean title vehicles to salvage title vehicles!
  • Click “Search”
  • Sort by price low to high by clicking the  $$$ (Small to big blue link)
  • Look at the average pricing and look at the lower priced vehicles, check them out and find roughly where the clean title vehicles start and then go back and adjust the minimum and maximum values to exclude the salvage vehicles and those that are clearly overpriced or out of your budget. Finally hit search again.
  • You should see something like this: 2006-2008 Honda Civic Search in Portland
  • Now re-search, adjusting the year up and down and see what others are listed for.

Your initial viewing

When you go to look at the car. Start it up and pay close attention to all of the warning lights in the dash. They should all light up and then disappear within about 10 seconds. If any of the Airbag, SRS, ABS, Check engine, Service engine or similar lights remain illuminated, ask the seller to fix and provide receipts of service prior to further considering the vehicle. If they aren’t interested in doing this then why would you waste your time? It always amazes us how many vehicles we show up with lights on such as the airbag light on, especially at dealerships! This could be a $100 fix or it could be a $1000+ fix, why not eliminate this issue prior to spending your inspection money on a vehicle that the seller isn’t going to be willing to fix or negotiate into the price. Many times people are selling their cars once they get an estimate on what it costs to actually fix. Don’t fall for stories, it’s not typically as minor as they may portray otherwise they likely would have fixed it.

The all important pre-puchase inspection

There are a lot of people claiming to perform mobile onsite used car inspections. Would you find your next doctor on craigslist? Only trust real established businesses who employs real properly certified master technicians, who perform all the necessary tests and inspect the entire vehicle, who have established real customer feedback, and most importantly a completely unbiased company without any hidden agendas or performing any other automotive work. We speak from experience as someone who has performed dealer used vehicle inspections, no other automotive business anywhere gives you all of the information needed between our upfront research, history report(s) provided, class leading customer service and our in depth inspection itself. PDXinspections.com

The information above should help point you to the right car more quickly with fewer frustrations.
Please be sure to read through our more in depth page “PDXinspections Tips for Shopping and Buying a Quality Used Car”

 

 Prius Fleet

Filed Under: Automobile Pre Purchase Inspections, Car Buying, Craigslist scams, Mobile inspection, Our thoughts, Out of State Inspection, Portland Car buying, Scams, Things we see, Used Car, Vancouver Car Buying Tagged With: Accident inspection, Automobile History report, autos, Buying a car on craigslist, Car buying, Car History report, car scam, carfax, cars, craigslist car shopping, curbstoning, portland car inspection, ppi, salvage vehicles, used car, Used Car Buying, Used Car Inspection, used car scam, Used Car Shopping, Used Vehicle Inspection, uvi, Vehicle History report

You get what you pay for! A great car buying metaphor.

Thursday, May 30th By Josh

You get what you pay for… Nothing is truer than this statement when it comes to buying a used vehicle.

I previously owned a small dealership mostly locating vehicles for people who didn’t want the hassles of sourcing their own vehicles. I purchased most of my vehicles at the same place the big franchised and smaller dealers do, the auction. There are literally a 100,000 cars auctioned across the world weekly. At each one of these auctions there will be 500-1000 dealers or buyers agents buying vehicles for their dealerships or for their clients (in the buyer’s agent case). If a vehicle is in poorer shape the price it sells for will obviously be less, on the other hand if a vehicle is in top shape meaning, no accidents or previous paintwork the price will reflect that.

I would only consider vehicles that have had no body or paint work. This made my searches incredibly difficult as 75% percent of the vehicles I would look at had one or more repainted panels. 75% is pretty much what I see while out inspecting vehicles at dealerships as well. Paintwork isn’t always a negative thing when considering a ten year old vehicle, however in my opinion is pretty inexcusable on a $30K+ luxury vehicle or a vehicle which is only a couple years old.

Some dealers sell cars on only flashy looks alone. They sometimes do no more than spend money on a fancy detail and cosmetic re-spray work and completely ignore the more expensive mechanical/maintenance work. Have you ever heard the term “Lipstick on a pig”? Most of the vehicles I would purchase from auction would need brakes or tires right off the bat. Many people decide its time for a new vehicle when their vehicles start needing great sums of service work knowing months in advance they would be doing so. Of course they don’t take care of necessary services it might need prior to doing so. As quality used vehicle values continue to rise and dealers look to cut costs, I’m seeing more and more dealers cutting costs when it comes to the reconditioning of their used cars trying to maximize profit. This means for some of the poorer quality dealers many of the vehicles sitting on their lots need crucial safety items, which typically end up being some of the most expensive services like brakes and tires. I would estimate 80% of the vehicles we inspect at some of the smaller independent dealers need at least $500+ in tires and/or brakes not even considering some of the issues we might come across in the rest of our inspection. The cost of the inspection is so minimal and almost always less than the cost of some of the needed maintenance, mechanical/electrical issues, or devaluation for paintwork or accidents in which we find and report.

Just be aware and remember to always have used cars inspected by a confident/trained/independent certified technician before purchasing it. Tires, brakes and other necessary services will quickly add up and will always be more than the inspection itself not to mention the confidence of knowing you’re not going to end up with a lemon. Know what you’re buying, research the dealer by checking reviews, have it inspected and buyer beware!

Tire wear

Filed Under: Car Buying, Our thoughts, Things we see Tagged With: automobiles, Buying a car on craigslist, Car buying, car scam, craigslist car shopping, curber, curbstoning, illegal selling, scam, Used Car Buying, Used Car Shopping

Selling cars illegally is a big deal – why you should be concerned

Tuesday, May 21st By Josh

for-sale-by-curber

From our used vehicle buying tips page

5) Just because the vehicle is listed for sale by owner doesn’t mean the registered owner is actually selling the vehicle.  There’s a good chance it isn’t the owner selling the vehicle rather “Curbers” or often referred to a Curbstoner or Curbstoning. Some people flip cars here in there but more so, a “Curber” is someone other than a registered owner or licensed dealer selling the car.  This is highly illegal and those who get caught face fines from the DMV from $2500-$5000 per vehicle.

Why should you care?
a) For starters, they’re not a dealer there is absolutely no accountability if and when you have issues registering your new vehicle.
b) They likely know nothing about the vehicle they are selling and I guarantee they probably don’t care. These may be the most impersonal people you will deal with, they will likely tell you what you want to hear or hopefully they are honest and they will let you know when they don’t know about the history. It’s usually all about money with these sellers and most have no conscience. There are plenty who buy cheap junk and resell quickly/cheaply. Ask yourself this: If the vehicle caught your attention at their asking price, why were they able to buy it so much cheaper to turn for a profit?
c) Most importantly they are already lying to you claiming to be the owner… What else are they hiding? Where did the get the car from and why was it sold? Maintenance or service history?

Kerry Tomlinson of KATU Problem Solvers here in Portland does a great job of reporting these stories
1st story of a guy selling a odometer rollback truck as a “Curber” http://www.katu.com/home/video/108354209.html
2nd story involving the same guy now a licensed dealer not following the DMV rules that govern all dealers and still using the trickery you’ll read below. http://www.katu.com/home/video/117463379.html 

So how do you catch them?  Again back to step one, use Google and also search Craigslist for the phone number. If you see multiple vehicles for the same phone number of a seller who is claiming to be an owner? Guess what….You’ve found a Curber. I can guarantee this is the case for 1 or more vehicles you’ve already been looking at, Yes it’s that common!  Another dead give away is when they attempt to fool you by listing their phone number in a photo rather than the ad text (so Craigslist and search engines can’t index it) or using different formats with spaces such as 5 0 3 – 7 8 9 – 0 1 6 8;  replacing the zeros with O’s; spelling out numbers (5O3)-7 eight 9 O16eight, or a combo of all the above. If someone goes through the hassles of doing this they are 99.7% positive not the registered owner of the vehicle…

OregonLive article – http://www.oregonlive.com/happy-valley/index.ssf/2011/03/happy_valley_man_nicholas_butkovich_accused_of_selling_cars_without_a_license.html

KATU News also did two stories on him – http://www.katu.com/news/problemsolver/95882224.html
http://www.katu.com/news/problemsolver/95882224.html?tab=video
http://clackamas.katu.com/content/man-sought-connection-illegal-car-sales

Pay attention out there.

For more used car buying tips visit our used vehicle buying tips page

Filed Under: Car Buying, Our thoughts, Scams, Things we see, Used Car Tagged With: automobiles, autos, car scam, cars, curber, curbstoning, illegal selling, scam

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